4/13/2022

Craps Rules Big 6 8

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  • Big six and big eight are two of the popular craps bets. As you can see on the craps table, they stick out because of their large numbers and prominence on the board, so it catches the attention of people. Really though, this bet is pretty simple yet it does not have really great odds.
  • Bets with Poor Craps Odds Big 6/Big 8 Bet. This is a Bet on a Big 6 or Big 8, put down after the point has been established. If a 6 or 8 is rolled before a 7, you win (1:1). This is a bet that you should not play because you can Place a bet on 6 or 8 and receive better odds.
  • This is a bet at craps that you place yourself on the table layout marked Big 6 or Big 8. It pays even money when a 6 or 8 is rolled. You lose if 7 comes up, and nothing happens as long as other numbers continue to appear. It is an 'all-day' bet, and you can remove the bet at any time. Betting on the Big 6 or 8 is a poor bet for the player.

If a point is rolled (4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10) it must be repeated before a 7 is thrown in order to win. If 7 is rolled before the point you lose. The fundamental bet in craps is the Pass Line Bet, which is a bet for the shooter to win their point number. A Pass Line Bet is won immediately if the Come Out roll is a 7 or 11.

Diceguy
This is a simple question (I think) related to odds of winning on a particular place bet. My typical move is to start a roll with $10 or $12 place bets across on the numbers. My playing buddy does the same except he places $30 on each of the 6/8. Does either one offer a long-term payback? My contention is that the former system is better on a cold to warm table, and worse on a hot table. My friend says the latter is always better. Your thoughts?
Ayecarumba

This is a simple question (I think) related to odds of winning on a particular place bet. My typical move is to start a roll with $10 or $12 place bets across on the numbers. My playing buddy does the same except he places $30 on each of the 6/8. Does either one offer a long-term payback? My contention is that the former system is better on a cold to warm table, and worse on a hot table. My friend says the latter is always better. Your thoughts?


If I understand your friends bets, they are $10 each on the outside numbers and $30 each on the 6 and 8 for a total of $70 or $90 depending on the point. You will have $52 or $54.
Since all the bets have negative expectations, neither offers a long-term payback, but bigger, faster losses can be expected by your buddy, since he is exposing a larger wager to the negative expectation each roll.
Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication - Leonardo da Vinci
Romes
Hi Diceguy, welcome to the forums.

...Since all the bets have negative expectations, neither offers a long-term payback, but bigger, faster losses can be expected by your buddy, since he is exposing a larger wager to the negative expectation each roll.

This is pretty much your exact answer. BOTH you and your buddy are playign a losing game, so neither 'betting scheme' has any 'long-term payback' other than losing your expected value in the long run. Your expected loss will simply be a bit smaller than his expected loss since you're betting less thus exposing less money to the house edge.
Check out the Wizards page on the basics of craps, and hopefully you'll get the idea of the house edge associated with each bet:
https://wizardofodds.com/games/craps/basics/
What it comes down to is: Whomever is betting LESS is going to lose LESS in the long run... but either way playing a game with a house edge you're both going to lose in the long run.
Playing it correctly means you've already won.
ahiromu
You have your answer, if you're betting on the same numbers, the one who bets more money will traditionally lose more in the end. This, of course, is thrown out the window if either of you press at all (this question, ultimately, depends on your betting patterns, since I highly doubt you both flat bet).
Alternative betting pattern: $30 on the 6 and 8 each, along with PL/come. The truth of the matter is that the 4, 5, 9, and 10 place bets are really bad bets. You're expected to lose a little less than 3x more on the 5,9 vs the 6,8 and 4x with the 9 and 10 (buying is equivalent to placing the 6,8). This is significant enough to avoid - I traditionally go through my bankroll 2-3 times an hour, so it can add up.

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Stick with placing the 6,8, buying the 4,10, and/or pass,come with odds. The house edge is likely to show itself in the form of smaller than optimal wins. So yes, you will have good days either way you play, but your wins will tend to be 'short' if you are wasting money by placing the 4,5,9,10. That said, play how you want, it's your money. Unless you start betting the big6/8, then it becomes a question of sanity.
(In the nicest way possible) - Drop the hot/cold/warm table talk, they do not exist. The dice do not have a memory and everything is random. Embrace the randomness.

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charliepatrick
Technically you're better off playing Pass or Come and laying the odds. However assuming you want to restrict your bets to Place bets the next best method is to place the 6 and/or 8. Suppose you did this and your friend bet all the numbers. On a bad day you could be unlucky and all the rolls seem to be 4,5,9 and 10 without any 6 or 8's. However on a good day they'd all be 6 and 8's. In the long term betting 6/8's loses least.
Similarly whether you press your bets will affect matters, you make more on a good day but lose more on a bad day.
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pwcrabb
Hello Diceguy
Best Wishes placing your box numbers. If Big Red stays away for a while then you may win some money. Here are some suggestions:
1. Emphasize the Six and Eight. They are more likely than the other boxes, they should contribute more to your overall revenue profile, and they suffer from less probabilistic disadvantage.
2. Buy the Four and Ten when you are able to make bets of $25 or larger.
3. Buy the Five and Nine when you are able to make bets of $50 or larger.
4. Do not increase your bets until you have fully recovered to your rails the total value of your spread. Doing so will require five hits, so just say 'Same Bet' until after at least the sixth hit.
5. Intend to take your bets down. There is no need to inevitably lose your investment capital for each shooter.
'I suppose I was mad. Every great genius is mad upon the subject in which he is greatest. The unsuccessful madman is disgraced and called a lunatic.' Fitz-James O'Brien, The Diamond Lens (1858)
Ayecarumba

...5. Intend to take your bets down. There is no need to inevitably lose your investment capital for each shooter.


Rather than fleeing, choose a place bet 'limit', (e.g., a number gets pressed to $1.5 or $3k). After it hits, lock up a chunk of cash by 'resetting' all the place bets to 2X the original base bet. Then run your pressing progression again. Doing this allows you to continue to cash in if the 7 doesn't show. Hopefully, you can run the cycle a few times.
Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication - Leonardo da Vinci
Craps are a classic game that represents the true essence of casino entertainment. When a player throws dice across the table surrounded by other bettors hoping for their number to be rolled, there is no doubt that craps are one of the most exciting casino games. Moreover, the house has a really small edge in this game.

Although Craps are among the most popular and most often played gambling games, craps rules can often seem quite complicated to new players and many people can’t make heads or tails of them. Before you go and bet your hard-earned cash in the casino for the first time, try the game without any risk in a free online version using virtual currency. That way you can at least make sure that you really understand the rules. If you lose there, it doesn’t affect your finances.

Knowing the craps rules definitely pays off. Some bets have the lowest house edge by far of all table games.

Craps rules

Craps is a game that can be simple or complicated – depending on how you want to bet. Craps is a table game played by several players. One of them (the one who throws the dice) is called the “Shooter”. Very simply put: When playing craps, the shooter throws the dice and all other players bet on numbers that may or may not be rolled. Players place their bets before the shooter throws the dice.

The game starts with the Shooter (one of the table players) betting at least the minimum of the table on one of the bets:

  • Pass Line
  • Don’t Pass Line

The player then receives from Stickman (casino employee) several dice (usually five) from which he/she chooses two to play with. The remaining dice are taken back by the casino worker and are not used in this game anymore.

The game is played in rounds and each player has the right to throw dice. But if you do not feel like it, you can deny and pass this honour to another player.

Each round has two phases:

  • Come Out
  • Point

Come Out Phase

At the start of the round, the Shooter shoot one or more Come Out rolls. If the number 2, 3 or 12 falls on this first throw (called Craps and the player continues no longer), the round ends and players lose their Pass Line bets. If the Shooter hits 7 or 11 (Natural), all Pass Line bets win.

If neither happens. The Shooter continues to throw another Come Out roll until one of the 4, 5, 6, 8, 9 or 10 numbers are played.

Point Phase

After that, this number becomes Point. The dealer then visibly marks this number and continues phase two. When Point number reappears, all Pass Line bets win. If the Shooter throw Seven-out, the pass line bets lose and the round ends.

The new round then begins with the new Shooter. The new shooter is then the first player on the left hand of the previous thrower. The game then goes clockwise.

A player who approaches the table should always check first the phase at which the game is. If there is no number marked, the table is in the Come Out phase. If there is the token on the table, the point is already set and most casinos allow to make Pass Line bets. All Proposition Bets can be bet in any phase of the round.

Between each bet is the part when the dealer pays wins and collects lost bets. Stickman oversees the entire game, the table and decides when the Shooter can play.

Craps Rules – All Craps Bets

As you can on the picture below, there are many types of bets in craps. But don’t worry, we will discuss them all in a very easy way.

Craps Rules Big 6 8 Inch

Come Out Bets

Pass Line

As mentioned above, these bets win if the sum of 7 or 11 is rolled in the come-out roll, and they lose out if the sum of 2, 3, or 12 is rolled in the come-out roll. If another sum is rolled, it will become the Point. The Pass Line bet wins if the following shooter’s throws reach a Point number before reaching the sum of 7, and loses if the sum of 7 appears before the Point is reached.

Possible win: 1:1.

Don’t Pass Line

This is the opposite of the Pass Line bet. The Don’t Pass Line bet wins if the sum of 2 or 3 is rolled in the come-out roll and loses if come-out yields a sum of 7 or 11. If the come-out roll reaches a total of 12, such bet is called “Push” and the player gets his money back. If a number other than 2, 3, 7, 11 or 12 is rolled, it becomes the Point. Don’t Pass Line bets win if the shooter rolls a total of 7 before reaching the Point and lose if the opposite occurs. It is important to know that Don’t Pass Line bets can be reduced or even removed before the shooter’s the second throw.

Possible win: 1:1.

“Come” bets

Come bets are almost the same as the Pass Line bets. Consider them Pass Line bets that are repeated in the same game round. The players place the Come bets after establishing the Point in the come-out roll. Just like the Pass Line bets, Come bets win if the shooter rolls 7 or 11 and lose if the shooter rolls 2, 3 or 12. If the shooter rolls 4, 5, 6, 8, 9 or 10, that number is established as the Point for Come (“Come Point”). Come bets win if the shooter rolls the Come Point again before rolling the sum of 7, and lose if the opposite occurs. Come bets cannot be reduced or removed.

Possible win: 1:1.

“Don’t Come” bets

It must be clear by now that Don’t Come bets are almost the same as Don’t Pass Line bets. These bets are also placed after the come-out roll. Once the Point is set, Don’t Come bets win if the shooter rolls 2 or 3, lose if he rolls 7 or 11, and Push if he rolls 12. If a sum of 4, 5, 6, 8, 9 or 10 is rolled, it becomes the new Come Point. Don’t Come wins if the shooter rolls 7 before the Come Point, and loses if the opposite occurs. Don’t Come bets, just like Don’t Pass Line bets, can be reduced or even removed.

Possible win: 1:1.

Bets after the Point

Odds

Odds are a side bet in craps that you can only place if the Point is established. The win will be paid out if the Point is rolled before the sum of 7. Chances of Odds are completely equal, the house edge is therefore zero. To clarify, Odds have the following payouts:

  • 2 to 1 at point 4 and 10
  • 3 to 2 at point
  • 6 to 5 at point 6 and 8

If we want to place the Odds after a Pass Line bet, we place the chips of the Odds bet behind the Pass Line bet, outside the marked area for Pass Line closer to us.

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Because Odds bets are absolutely free of house edge, you can always bet only as much as your original Pass bet. Most casinos allow players to bet for example “3-4-5x Odds”. This means that the player can bet three times the bet if Point is 4 or 10, four times the bet if it’s 5 or 9 and five times if it’s 6 or 8.

But some casinos may offer more, like 5x, 10x, 20x, or 100x Odds for all points. So if you see a 10x Odds offer in a casino, that means you can place Odds in the amount of ten times the original bet.

Place Bets

In craps, the numbers 4, 5, 6, 8, 9 and 10 are known as Place numbers and the player can bet on any of these numbers. If this number is rolled before 7, the player wins. Place bets are something like Odds, but they can only be placed if you have placed a No Pass Line bet and their payouts are not so profitable. To be precise:

  • Place the bet on 6 and 8 pays 8 to 7
  • Place the bet on 5 and 9 pays 7 to 5
  • Place the bet on 4 and 10 pays 9 to 5

Field Bets

Craps rules allow to place bets only for one roll. These are called Field Bets and Proposition bets. In Field Bets you win when a 2, 3, 4, 9, 10, 11 or 12 strike. Field Bets are paid out in the following proportions:

  • 2 is paid 2: 1
  • 12 is 3: 1
  • All other numbers are paid as straight bets, ie with a payout ratio of 1: 1.

Big Six, Big Eight Bets

You can bet these bets at any time during the game and win if the number 6 or 8 hit before number 7. Both bets are paid at 1: 1.

Proposition Bets

Proposition bets can be placed at any time. Almost all of them (besides the Hardways bet) are only for one roll.

Any Craps

  • Wins when 2, 3, or 12 are rolled. The payout ratio is 8: 1.

Any Seven

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  • Wins when thrown 7. The payout ratio is 5: 1.

Eleven

  • Wins when thrown 11. The payout ratio is 16: 1.

Ace Duece

  • Wins when thrown 3. The Payout ratio is 16: 1.

Aces or Boxcars

  • Wins when thrown 2 or 12. The payout ratio is 30: 1.

Horn Bet

  • It works like a bet on numbers 2, 3, 11 and 12. Wins if one of these numbers falls. The payout is by the number that fits. The other three losers are losing.

Hardways

The player wins if the sum of pairs 4 (2-2), 6 (3-3), 8 (4-4) and 10 (5-5), is thrown before 7. The payout ratio is

  • hard 4 and 10 – 8: 1
  • hard 6 and 8 – 10: 1

Even the craps rules may seem to be really confusing, it should discourage you to try this game. You can always try craps for free online and practice craps rules without any risk or money loss. You also do not need to bet all the possible bets. Many advanced players only use the bets with the lowest house edge.

House Edge of the Craps Bets

BetHouse edge
Pass/Come1,41 %
Don´t Pass/Don´t Come1,40 %
Field bet (2:1 on 12)5,56 %
Field bet (3:1 on 12)2,78 %
Any Craps11,11 %
Big 6, 89,09 %
Hard 4, 1011,11 %
Hard 6, 89,09 %
Place bet (on win) 6, 81,52 %
Place bet (on win) 5, 94 %
Place bet (on win) 4, 106,67 %
Place bet (on loss) 6, 81,82 %
Place bet (on loss) 5, 92,50 %
Place bet (on loss) 4, 103,03 %
Proposition bet on 2, 1213,89 %
Proposition bet on 3, 1111,11 %
Proposition bet on 716,67 %